Call me crazy - Ranchero's (again)

**Luva65wagon** · October 24th, 2013, 10:22 AM

...This is the motor I'm putting in.

The transmission is the C4 I received from Steve when I bought the Rancheros and I have put a B&M shift kit into it. I have the same Dougs headers like Gene has (except for automatic and not 4-speed) and a set of Pypes stainless dual exhaust.

**Luva65wagon** · October 24th, 2013, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by falcon cobra

Roger, count me in.... I will help you....

jh

Cool - the more the merrier.

Of course I know you all think I can swap a motor blind-folded and with one arm tied behind my back (not sure how those nasty rumors start), but sometimes I really do like to have help too.

**BPVan** · October 24th, 2013, 11:49 AM

Count me as a maybe. I'll probably need to leave by 1, enough to get the heavy lifting done.

**Luva65wagon** · October 24th, 2013, 12:04 PM

Aw... you could have just surprised me by showing up like you did last week at Steve's. Hope you can make it if even for that long. I suspect by then we'd have the new motor sitting in the bay.

**BPVan** · October 24th, 2013, 12:06 PM

Maybe I will be the token Surprise guy from now on.

**falcon cobra** · October 24th, 2013, 02:28 PM

Roger, where did you get the headers? do you have the number, they make a ton of them and I don't recall what gene's look like

jh

**Luva65wagon** · October 24th, 2013, 02:57 PM

I got Dougs Tri-Y model D660YA. I got mine off of Amazon for $549. Places like Summit wanted almost $100 more for them. They fit so nicely on Gene's I figure I can't go wrong. Knock on wood.

**falcon cobra** · October 24th, 2013, 04:04 PM

But his is a 64, so I guess we will see on sat. I really dread trying to remove mine to get the heads off or removing the motor. mine are hedman shorties and they don't fit that well...jh

**SmithKid** · October 24th, 2013, 07:21 PM

Here is the link to what my headers look like (you hafta scroll down) and they fit fairly tight. Had a small issue of DS hitting the steering box. Roger added a small spacer to the the DS motor mount to tip the motor a bit and all is well. Still haven't added a spacer to PS, but the tilt is barely noticeable and (I think) only if you are aware of it.

http://www.rainierfalcons.com/forums...mithkid&page=9

**Luva65wagon** · October 24th, 2013, 07:30 PM

John, Gene has a '65, but not sure it matters much for headers. But have not tried.

Anyway, did anyone hear that hiccup that occurred here tonight? I was cleaning up the spacer plate that goes between the engine and transmission (the engine came with an FMX tranny) and was gonna verify the flex plate and starter engagement. So I pulled the new flex plate out (it too came with the motor) bolted it onto the torque converter and realized the spacer plate was smaller than would fit the bell housing. The new flex plate (164 tooth) is correct for the transmission I got from Steve, but I need either a different C4 bell housing and a 157 tooth flex plate to use my spacer plate or I need the larger spacer plate.

Does anyone here have spare C4 parts laying around I can buy off of them?

**falcon cobra** · October 25th, 2013, 07:15 AM

Roger, I have a block plate 6 bolt holes, and two flex plates one is 164teeth and one has 160 teeth, I think all the plates are the same except 5 hole or 6.... call me this morning so we can talk about it...jh

**Luva65wagon** · October 25th, 2013, 08:19 AM

There is a 157 and a 164 tooth version of the 6-bolt block plate. The 164 flex plate held up to the 157 block plate would probably not have a lot of surrounding area. I can get some measurements.

I can't track down your number to call, so feel free to call me if you have mine available. I was gonna call BelKirk Mustang if nothing was available amongst us.

**Luva65wagon** · October 25th, 2013, 08:44 AM

Just called BelKirk to see and they only have the 157 style.

The measurement across between the upper starter bolt hole and the hole directly across are 16.75 for a 157 and avout 17.25 for a 164.

If you don't have the right one I may have to hit the bone yards to see if I can find one. Worse case I install the tranny later in the week. I can buy the correct one online.

**pbrown** · October 25th, 2013, 07:46 PM

Which tranny do you have? Are you planning to use the case fill or pan fill style? The 164 tooth plate usually mates with the pan fill tranny. I would think you would want to use the case fill c4 with a 157 tooth flexplate.

**Luva65wagon** · October 25th, 2013, 10:30 PM

Props to John Henry who had the block plate I needed.

To answer you question Patrick this is a C4 with the 164 tooth and a case fill. The torque converter, housing, everything was for a 164 tooth. I had a 157 flex plate and the bolts didn't align to attach it to the converter. Anyway, it's all mated up now and should not be a problem going forward.

The other motor I pulled today. Sadly as I was prepping it for storage I noted water staining on the rear of the block I thought was a freeze plug, but turned out to be a cracked block. Not sure why I didn't see it before, but it's had antifreeze since I had it. So my plans [Gina] to put it into my wagon have been temporarily interrupted. Maybe I can find another late block, like it, and use all the internal parts. Can't say at the moment.

Not sure who I'll see tomorrow, but will be happy to see whoever I see. Gene, John, Bill Williams may stop by, Brian may surprise us And my brother in law.