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Thread: Call me crazy - Ranchero's (again)

  1. #721
    Aw come-on Gene, "you are the club I know." But yeah, to say the least, I too was a bit saddened by the lack of response for this tech day(s). But oh well, what ya gonna do. I wouldn't have done it if I didn't think the two of us, or even me by myself, couldn't have accomplished the task. I'm in your debt, Gene, for the use of your garage and elbow grease.

    Here it is.

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    Found out (after it started and ran like crapola) the builder used a 351W cam, which required a quick re-route of the spark plug wires (different firing order), so will have to scrutinize the plug wires again to get them routed the way I like. But it ran so much better afterward. It was getting late in the day and, as Gene indicated, I only did a quick "round the block" test drive before hitting the road.

    Should have maybe looked around the motor more before I left. I found this sitting on the headers and steering box. I'll get it back to you, Gene, when I come back to get the 289 left-overs.

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    There is still an issue with the clutch (slave?) or I still have some air in the system. Cool/cold, the pedal disengages the clutch nicely. When I got home the wife wanted to go for a ride and I found the clutch to be only partially disengaging the clutch. Of course, no way to look at it without a flat spot on concrete where I can jack it up.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  2. #722
    That looks great guys. Nice work. I wish I could have joined you.
    Patrick Brown
    331 Stroker / T5 / 8" / Wilwood Disks / RRS R&P Steering / Megasquirt EFI


  3. #723
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    Would loved to have been there - to watch and maybe hand you wrenches. My daughter's softball tourney got in the way. The engine looks fantastic, Roger!
    Scott Zimmerman


    '65 Falcon Futura 2 door hardtop, 289 V8

  4. #724
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    Very sorry the tech day didn't have more attendance. Carol and I have been spending most of our time in McMinnville Oregon. Carols mother is in assisted living care and not doing well. Hospice is keeping her comfortable but all our time is with her. Hope to see your pickup at the next meeting. I am still looking for a round body Falcon to make a gasser. Either the cars are too good, (very expensive) or very bad. Rust buckets. Good luck Roger. Larry
    Larry Smith
    1964 Futura
    347 stroker



  5. #725

    Still tinkering

    Well, it's been a few weeks since I drove the car home from Gene's, but with summer travels and other summer commitments, I've found almost zero time to futz with it to get it dialed in. I did discover the builder had added some balance to the harmonic balancer, so I did swap that out. Also got new plug wires and swapped the coil, since I sliced a plug wire or two on the separators (edges were so sharp, so I filed them all before putting on the new ones).

    I also can't get it to run correctly on this Summit carburetor on the idle circuit. I can turn in both idle air screws and it will run. I ordered some air bleed screws and new jets for it from Summit, but there is not a lot of information out there on what bits to swap. It was running really rich before - to the point of making my eyes melt out of their sockets - and the last change I made seems to have improved that, but it didn't change the idle circuit issue.

    Soooo.... I dug out all my 4100 Autolite carbs and just finished building one of those to see if it will work better. Just ordered an electric choke part (not gonna use a stove pipe version) and a new fitting to convert inverted flare to an-6 to get it installed. Fingers crossed it will improve enough to drive it, as I'm not sure what I'll do failing that. Fuel Injection or another brand carburetor - again. I've sold off 2 Edelbrocks and 3 Holleys because they're so finicky (in my previous uses of them). The 4100 is a very basic and highly respected carburetor - for as old it is - but that is the crux. They are hard to find in usable shape. Of the 4 I had (2 @ 1.08 and 2 @ 1.12 - 480 and 600 CFM, respectively), I only had one 1.12 I could build. Lots of parts though. Stay tuned.
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    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  6. #726
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    Your shop has a nice window above your bench. Stop your bellyaching

    I'm sure you will get your gas issue figured out. You are a smart dude.

    Jeff Watson
    Seattle, WA
    '63 Tudor Wagon (170 - 3 spd.)

  7. #727
    After two different Autolite 4100's and neither doing justice to this motor I decided, after reading oodles of reviews on the thing, to get a Demon brand Street Demon carburetor and tuning kit for this motor. While I'm At Itâ„¢ I also decided it was time to improve the ignition system of it too, so picked up a MSD 6AL for it. I figure I can sell off the 2 rebuilt Autolite 4100's (and parts from 2 others) and the Summit Carb and tuning kit, which works, but I just can't figure out how to tune it, to pay for all this. There is still a slim chance I might see a car show this year.

    Progress on the garage is still the same. Trusses are ordered and the delivery of these determines when they start all the other work. I'm having a lot of tree work done this week to get the space prep'd further.
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    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  8. #728
    After another week of waiting for the "correct" little red inlet fitting on the Demon carburetor, the Ranchero, with its new motor, finally runs like I hoped this combination would. Added the MSD box as well, but not sure I can tell if it added anything perceptible. We'll see.

    I am baffled a bit by the current interference fit of the headers and the engine compartment. Seems like the new heads are wider than the stock heads, or something, so the headers are zero clearance on the passenger side against the frame (near the idler arm bracket) and only 1/8" on the driver side. Seems I had far more clearance before. Lacking a floor and a working jack (mine started leaking like a sieve, so I got rid of it) - it's gonna wait. It's drivable.

    So now I have to focus on getting the area for the (upcoming) garage ready for a construction crew - and find a place to stash the Ranchero and pickup out of the way while construction is underway.

    So... on another note... where is everyone?
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    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  9. #729
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    Looking good Roger. I really like the valve covers with the black and red.

    Been really busy here but got the transmission smoking issue figured out. The shop overfilled it - by over a quart. Looks to be fine now.
    Scott Zimmerman


    '65 Falcon Futura 2 door hardtop, 289 V8

  10. #730
    Thanks Scott. I think the red/black thing matched the rest of the car. I'm just a little bummed no that it's all done... all the car shows are pretty much past. Missed the mini down south by just a week or so. And driving it in Seattle traffic - just to drive it - is not what I call fun. Have been trying to see if there are any cruise-in spots in the vicinity, but can only find them way south or way north. Oh well. Next year.

    Glad you found out your transmission issue. Just goes to show how critical fluid levels in a transmission can be. Didn't see a resolution posted on FB, but may have missed it.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  11. #731
    Well, it's been a while since I've had a chance to get back to the Ranchero and resolve some issues post - 347 swap. Not sure what all changed going from a 289 with cast-iron heads to a 347 (5.0 roller block) with aluminum heads (of unknown origin; builder buys castings and machines and builds to his spec), but since doing so there are interference issues all around. Header issues mostly. They were always tight, but not 'hard up against things' tight.

    So... it's coming back out! And of course, While I'm At It™ I'm going to be doing a few things:

    - New Dougs headers for 4-speed car (have the automatic version now. Provides better clearancing for steering box)

    - Electric Power Steering (using Nissan Versa EPS unit and a fresh Mustang box and unobtanium pitman arm, that I obtained)

    - Adjustable Motor Mounts (from TCP)

    - Shelby Drop (I know there is one around the club, but ordered a template anyway)

    - Front Disc Brakes (thinking on this still, but will probably do the Scarebird option that fits the stock 14" front wheels. Don't have money for wheels and tires)

    I've been collecting bits and pieces as I sell stuff to fund it. Not far away from starting this phase, but thought I'd update the thread to get your watching juices flowing.

    Stay tuned
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    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  12. #732

    Electric Power Steering

    Well, I pulled the car apart starting on Monday to get my list of things moving forward. Had planned to get it all done in time for the mini-regional, but alas it is cancelled. Probably won't make me slow down on the project since I don't like leaving things be. It's a long list.

    As of today the motor is on the stand and I pulled the intake having had issues with finding the correct intake manifold gaskets when I was in a crunch at Gene's to get the motor swapped. They were leaking. I have a set coming I hope will fit correctly, but what a pain it is to find the correct ones using pictures and sparse specs. Fingers crossed. Same sort of goes with the header gaskets. These heads I have are oddballs let me tell you. It's all prepped awaiting a Summit Racing package to arrive.

    Yesterday I pulled all Steering bits off and today mocked up the electric power steering motor up under the dash. I found just the right place for it to fit, and made a temporary column to hold it all in so I can make all the measurements for the real thing. I plan to use it like this for the test-run. Meaning after I connect up the box and hook up the draglink again - I'll power it up and see if it works before hacking up the painted column. Won't be driving it this way for a bit, but I've already heard enough good about this setup to trust it will work on the road if it works on a static test.
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    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  13. #733
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    Wow! That's looking great, Roger (don't envy all the standing on yer head yer having to do, tho')


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
    '65 Ranchero Deluxe
    302, EFI, 4-Spd
    Granada Discs

  14. #734
    I have since completed my static test and it works great. I now have to conjure up how best to do the upper part of the column. The EPS unit has an upper collapsible function as well, which doesn't really apply to the Falcon column tube. And since the shaft is held in place on the Falcon with a taper collar anything that allows me to pull on the shaft will just pull this taper collar out of the upper bearing. Nissan used a high friction male/female sleeve for the column (all buried under the plastic bits) that would collapse on impact, but was not movable by hand. I may have to bury these pieces in my Falcon tube since they are smaller. More on that when I get there. I'm jumping around from the various projects and have yet to return to this part.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  15. #735
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    Looks good Roger, where will the AutoPilot switch go?
    Brian
    '67 Falcon Bus/240/C4/Offy DP/MSD Duraspark II/Holley 4160

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