Rainier Falcons > The FalconForum  

Go Back   Rainier Falcons > The FalconForum > General Forums > Show Off Your Ride

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #166  
Old 10-02-2014, 06:48 PM
pbrown's Avatar
pbrown pbrown is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,322
Blog Entries: 21
The shaft is available new if the rest is still good.

http://www.classicinlines.com/prodde...od=CSC-200-RAS
__________________
Patrick Brown
331 Stroker / T5 / 8" / Wilwood Disks / RRS R&P Steering / Megasquirt EFI

Reply With Quote
  #167  
Old 10-02-2014, 09:25 PM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
I'll have to do some research and see if there are any specs on rockers. I know the shaft is bad.

I found an nos shaft in Oregon.

I have to see I need the whole kit & kaboodle.
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #168  
Old 10-03-2014, 12:19 AM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
The shop manual contains the specs for the rocker arm shaft. .781
Mines toast..
The shop manual also provides specs for the bore diameter of the rockers. .783
Haven't measured those yet.

Normal clearance is .002-.004 though discard is .006.

So ill get those rockers measured and go from there.
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #169  
Old 10-03-2014, 09:51 AM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
My parts measured in at;
.769 for the rocker shaft, well beyond the wear limit. Plus it has a bend in it.

Rockers measured anywhere from .784 to .787.
Some are worn but all are within limits. Majority were .786

Still on the fence about what to do...
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #170  
Old 10-11-2014, 06:35 PM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
Roger,
The shaft you sent me. Is the first shaft I've ever seen that had copper bushings in every rocker.. very odd. Even odder is they were out of specs.

I don't get it. I got an assembly from PhilC next. It was looking awesome until I got to cylinder 3 exhaust rocker and it scored the shaft and rocker really bad. The shaft was perfect except for 2 cylinders.. how do two cylinders wear, but everything else is good?

So I bought the nos fomoco shaft off ebay from a guy in coos bay, OR. For $30.

Using the best 12 rockers I built myself an assembly. Bolted to the car, adjusted valves, did a compression test, fired it up and my knock or noise was still there.

The wife looks up the stock spark plug number, cross-references it to an autolite plug and tells me I have a colder plug in there.. I was running a autolite 45. She says try a 46 like its supposed to have.

Guess what? A change of plugs later and the noise appears to be gone..

Hmm..
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #171  
Old 10-12-2014, 05:43 AM
ew1usnr's Avatar
ew1usnr ew1usnr is offline
Senior Forum User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan289 View Post
The wife looks up the stock spark plug number, cross-references it to an autolite plug and tells me I have a colder plug in there.. I was running a autolite 45. She says try a 46 like its supposed to have.

Guess what? A change of plugs later and the noise appears to be gone..
Hmm..
I really am impressed that your wife thought to check that you had correct spark plugs.

It is surprising that a colder plug would cause a knocking sound, but if the noise went away you received a surprise success.

I need to have your wife look at my car and tell me if anything needs to be changed.
__________________
Dennis Pierson
Tampa, FL
"The Wonder Falcon"

'63 Futura Hardtop (260, Ford-O-Matic, bench seat)

Last edited by ew1usnr; 10-12-2014 at 05:46 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #172  
Old 10-12-2014, 09:56 AM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
Colder plugs shouldn't make it knock or detonate, so I don't get it.
Maybe something in the engine was hitting the plugs or plug, but I don't see evidence of that.
Maybe the colder plug was fouling at idle causing a miss that was causing a noise?

Only other thought is bad gas, but I didn't change that till after the noise went away.

Right now the wife is shopping for a plasma cutter..

Ebay has some really cheap 3&1 plasma cutter, mig and mms welder all built in one. Probably not a good buy, but its tempting.
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #173  
Old 10-12-2014, 06:58 PM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
Noise is back...

I don't know. I went through and retorqued everything I could on the outside of the motor..

I'm thinking possibly the distributor, as the end shaft play is really excessive.
End shaft play is supposed to be leas than .008 mine is .020

When I move the shaft up and down it makes a similar noise as my engine noise.

I'll order a rebuilt distributor and maybe drop the oil pan and check the mains and rods..

Otherwise I don't know.. maybe flywheel bolts next
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #174  
Old 10-14-2014, 11:10 AM
Luva65wagon's Avatar
Luva65wagon Luva65wagon is offline
Chapter President
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lynnwood
Posts: 4,406
Blog Entries: 4
Nathan, You can't take a long dowel rod and use it as the listening rod and probe around while the motor is running to zero-in on the approximate location? Is the noise RPM related? High-pitched, low-pitched?
__________________
Roger Moore

63 "Flarechero"
powered by: '65 289-V8 | T5 | 8" TracLoc rear


Reply With Quote
  #175  
Old 10-14-2014, 05:20 PM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
Roger,

Noise is rpm related. Only does it at idle and not every time.
Killing cylinders doesn't make it worse nor better. So I can't isolate it to one cylinder.

Raise rpms and it goes away.

I've removed fuel pump and its still there.
I removed valve cover and it doesn't sound as loud. (not that loud to begin with)

Best I've been able to do is narrow it down to the block area between distributor and fuel pump.

Its a real light knocking noise, almost a rattle.. with the distributor out of the car, if I pull up and down on the shaft it makes a similar noise..


I just thought of something.. the car had a newer oil, pan on it.. I wonder if the crank is knocking the oil pump pickup screen.. maybe the old pan got crushed..

I didn't check oil pump to crank clearance, I spun the engine by hand before install and didn't notice anything..

It doesn't explain why it went away with a change of plugs though..


__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #176  
Old 10-15-2014, 09:53 AM
Luva65wagon's Avatar
Luva65wagon Luva65wagon is offline
Chapter President
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lynnwood
Posts: 4,406
Blog Entries: 4
Using a long dowel (local home center) about 1/2" in diameter held up against the motor in various places, and then the other end pressed against your (closed) ear acts as a stethoscope. I've pinpointed almost exactly where noises emanated from using this method - assuming you can access them without catching a belt or fan blade. I can't imagine it being a crank-induced knock against an oil pump. There is a lot of clearance there, typically.

I assume this has a new timing chain and gears? Chain slap again the timing cover has caused RPM related noises, but only if the chain and gears are old and flapping about.

The distributor gear, with its helical cut gears, will get forced in one direction - and stay there, so I'd also doubt that to be a cause for a noise you could hear. Are you running points/condenser or Pertronix? Wasn't this a new distributor too?
__________________
Roger Moore

63 "Flarechero"
powered by: '65 289-V8 | T5 | 8" TracLoc rear


Reply With Quote
  #177  
Old 10-15-2014, 04:57 PM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
New everything.
No distributor. Original


I wonder if its fuel related.
Went away with fresh plugs. Came back after a cold start with choke use.
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
  #178  
Old 10-17-2014, 02:13 PM
Nathan289's Avatar
Nathan289 Nathan289 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Park
Posts: 1,100
Blog Entries: 1
Installed the 58f jet in the carb. Pretty sure it made the noise worse.
Pulled plugs and appears that the autolite 46 plug is too hot.
With the discoloration band near the base of the plug.

Might try a colder plug and see what happens..

Could be a lean condition raising cylinder temps.

Looks like I might want to order some carb jets too..


Not sure if that's the source of my noise though...

Distributor has too much end play when installed.. doubt that's my problem either, but could be.
__________________
Nathan and Jen Cooper
63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
* this spot is vacant for future project*
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Nathan's wife's painted ranchero Nathan289 Show Off Your Ride 18 08-27-2008 07:37 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.