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  1. #16
    200 or 250 are all the same head so it wouldn't matter as long as the year is right..

    I doubt you'll find a 170 any year after 1970.. so just watch the casting numbers on the head..

    C = 1960 the number that comes after would be the year..
    so a c6 would be a 1966..
    D= 1970
    E= 1980

    so if you want the golden head you would want a D8..

    Nathan
    Nathan and Jen Cooper
    63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
    63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
    * this spot is vacant for future project*

  2. #17
    Get the newest head you can find. Ford continued to improve it throughout production.
    Patrick Brown
    331 Stroker / T5 / 8" / Wilwood Disks / RRS R&P Steering / Megasquirt EFI


  3. #18
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    The 144/170ci both have three(3) frost plugs on the side of the block.
    The 200/250ci have five (5).

    144/170/200ci have a three (3) bolt water pump.
    250ci has a four (4) bolt water pump.

    I don't know a good way to tell the 144 and the 170 apart.

    Some of the later 200ci blocks (I'm talking 80's) have the starter in a different position. The heads are the same, jus beware if you are buying a block to rebuild.

  4. #19
    oldford63 Guest

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    Thanks to all of you for your help. Having you guys to talk to is the best resorce I have.

    I can't wait to get out to the junk yard Monday. It will be ok even if I cannot find what I need because that will only mean I will get to go back. There is something about that place, just walking through it makes me feel wonderful. Even if I do score it will be a while before I can get started.

    The contractors are breaking ground on my new shop today. The crew should be here at ten o'clock. Having a shop in my back yard has been a life long dream of mine. Now that I am over 50 I am finally realizing that dream. My Dad had a shop in our back yard when I was a kid and he and my uncles built hot rods and fixed the family cars back there. They worked on cars, drank Dixie beer, and played Hank William on the turn table.

    Hope you guys don't mind me going on,
    Guy

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    If you were closer you would have all of us drinking beer in your new shop and giving you pointers, arguing about which electronic ignition system is best. Sounds like some great memories.

  6. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by oldford63 View Post
    ... They worked on cars, drank Dixie beer, and played Hank William on the turn table.
    "There's a tear in my beer...."

    Sounds like a dream come true to me! I like the city life but somedays wish I had a nice shop with plenty of room to work on my projects.

    Kenny Likins
    Ballard, Seattle, WA
    www.redfalken.com

    `62 Tudor Sedan (`69 200, C4, 8-inch 4-lug 2.79 rearend, Duraspark II, MSD, Weber 32/36 DGEV)

  7. #22
    Well I hate to tell you this but for years my falcon sat in the rain,then I made it fit in my old garage, had to make it longer to cover the back end. then years later I built a 3 car garage thats 26x32, for the falcon, the PT cruiser and the 85 svo that I have, with a gas furnace, tv, stereo,computer, lights,and a old carpet on the floor. it's almost like home, falcons are always welcome to come by to bench race or just chat...john h

  8. #23
    oldford63 Guest

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    The crew dug out three sides for the footers and put all the boards up for the cement. They will not be back till Monday because of the holiday weekend. The shop will be 24x28. I have already started inviting friends over to wrench (and drink a few) on their rides when my shop is done. I sure wish we had a Falcon club over here!

    On with my engine rebuild plans. I have been thinking about the 1-barrel 2-barrel issue. Instead of trying to make a 2-barrel fit with the stock 1-barrel air cleaner I am thinking of using a 1-barrel carb off of a 250ci engine. The 1-barrel from a 250ci engine should flow more CFM than the 1-barrel off my 170ci. Does anyone know CFM specs for these carbs or if the carbs are even interchangable?

    What do you guys think? Hey, I know some of my ideas are crazy so if this is a crazy one just yet me know. Am I barking up the wrong tree or will this give me the flow I need to feed a 200 cylinder head?

    Thanks for you time,
    Guy

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    Source: "The Ford Falcon - Six Cylinder Performance Handbook"

    YF Carter: 1967 - 1979 (rated @ 150 CFM on 170ci and 187 CFM on 200ci)

    RBS Carter: 1970-1972 - 250ci engine rated at 215 CFM

    Autolite 1100 had three different models used on 144,170,200. The 250 used a 1101 and rated at 210 CFM

    The larger base on 200/250 carbs would require adaptation to use on earlier heads. Look for the larger bore hole found on newer heads.

    Kenny has had good luck with his two barrel and using his adapter plate.

  10. #25
    You really ought to look at Kenny's setup for his carb. He did a really nice job on it. I think he may have links on his site. I think... I guess I should have looked first.

    OK - I looked -- no pictures. Kenny, you should take some pictures. Pictures are good.
    Last edited by Luva65wagon; April 10th, 2009 at 11:13 PM.
    Roger Moore

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  11. #26
    oldford63 Guest

    Smile

    Thanks for the tips. I just ordered "The Ford Falcon - Six Cylinder Performance Handbook", but it has not come yet. I will let you know what I find at the yard next Monday.

    Guy

  12. #27
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    Well I went to the junk yard today and asked if there were any Fairmounts. They had four, a 1978, two 1982 and one 1983. The first row sixth car was the 1978. And yes I scored, I could not believe I scored big time. I got the head, the valve cover, the fan and pully. Thinking ahead about AC. I threw the exhaust maniford on the ground, it had so much SH*T on it I could not believe it. I took all of the head and maniford bolts and some of the AC brakets. It all cost me $80, and I walked out smiling. While I was working to free my bounty from the 78 engine bay a guy walked by and said, "man you are realy going after it". I guess he could see how happy I was. I found a 3/4ton drum and was using it to stand on and get high enough to work comfortably. The head and every thing else I scored is resting in my garage. I sware, I love that place! I'm going to pull the head apart and bring it to the machine shop.
    Will keep you posted,
    Guy

  13. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Luva65wagon View Post
    ...OK - I looked -- no pictures. Kenny, you should take some pictures. Pictures are good.
    Got the pictures (tons of pictures thanks to the digital camera age) but just haven't got them on my website yet! I'll post a few below. It's a little different now but just tweaks.

    I REALLY want to get my cylinder head finished this year and then I'll get some notes and pictures on the web.
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    Kenny Likins
    Ballard, Seattle, WA
    www.redfalken.com

    `62 Tudor Sedan (`69 200, C4, 8-inch 4-lug 2.79 rearend, Duraspark II, MSD, Weber 32/36 DGEV)

  14. #29
    oldford63 Guest

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    Kenny,

    Man I like the way you set up that 2-barrel. In that first picture, did you faburcate the bottem of your original air cleaner? Man, that is clean looking!

    I am still not sure what I want to do about carbs yet. Still can't believe the 78 200 head I picked up yesterday. I may go with a 1-barrel off of a 200 or 250, or I might go with a 2-barrel.

    Thats the beauty of limited funds, you have time to think about what your going to do next.

    Guy

  15. #30
    Kenny, that is clean. What adapter plate did you use again to get this to face forward and not sideways?
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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