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  1. #31
    Thanks again Steve and Laurie for the hospitality! Turned out to be a late one. We missed the ferry, and had to wait till around 11. Learned a lot. Thanks professor Roger. Carburators are sometimes not your friend! Nice meeting Gina and Miles. Thanks Gene for the great anti pumpkin job driving. Had a great time!
    Bill Proctor .. 1963 Falcon Sprint. Looking forward to learning new things.

  2. #32
    Yes, it was a long day and I appreciate that Gene did not in-fact turn into a pumpkin at 10PM like he said he would. It was such a drag to pull up to the ferry at 9:38 for a 9:40 ferry and to be told "you're too late." Next ferry was 11:05... and was the last one. So McDonalds saved us for the hour wait. Gene and Bill had a much later night than I did, for sure. I got dropped off first and I was asleep in less than 30 seconds.

    Once again we think it is carburetor issues. Getting carbs to work on these old cars has been the cause of probably 100 hours of me standing in somebody's garage trying to get them to work. Steve has a contact who he's gonna contact to get one built for her by them. It'll cost Gina another couple hundred, but that's far cheaper than the $400 I see them going for on eBay. I bought one off eBay a month ago (NOS even), but it turned out to be a 1101, which they used on the bigger 6's. So will probably relist it. Anyway, that's what a new engine wants - good fuel management.

    The motor runs good though, when it runs.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  3. #33
    Oh, and yes - thanks goes out to Steven and Laurie. They have got to be the best tech-day hosts on the planet!

    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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    I second that thought Roger and thanks to ALL who helped with my car. Lots of great humor and very little hiccups with the assembly and install, usually lots more goes wrong doing a project like this one. It was hard turning back and leaving her at Steve's but she'll be rolling soon and then I will be as happy as Steve is driving his delivery!
    Thanks again Roger, Steve, Gene, Bill, Miles and Laurie
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    Just a quick update......the Comet is home but it didn't get here under her own power, Steve trailered it here for me (many thanks). It idles fine but dies when it's given gas??? We've ruled out vac leak, next is compression check and change the mini copper looking filter that attaches to the carb. More will be reveiled.
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  6. #36
    I hope you find something simple. Sadly it was growing so late and we didn't have the luxury of resolving the issue that night.

    So, my question, based upon this move of the car, were you not going to have that carburetor done at a carb shop? I'm working on a manual choke 1100 right now, which I'll have done mid-week sometime. It was pristine other than needing a rebuild. I actually have two of them in about the same condition and bought two kits to rebuild them both. I know, not automatic choke, but for the purposes of ruling out carb issues, either are better than a carb I know was a crap-shoot. Steve indicated they both run fine on the Mustang, so that is a wrench thrown in my logic, but he's not hauled the Mustang down the road, has he? (Steve?)

    Also, it might be that the valves have seated now and they need to be readjusted again. I did a cold adjustment, but a hot adjustment really needs to be done. I found this post from a while back on adjusting valves:

    According to the Schjeldahl Bible the 144 was solid lifter. Interestingly, this nifty little book (I have the 4th printing of 2001) doesn't tell you the valve adjustment specs on the 144 and 170 with solid lifters. So onto Google and found this:

    The spec for mech lifters is .016" hot for intake and exhaust. Add .004 to the setting if you are setting them cold to allow for expansion when hot.

    Set engine up on TDC # 1 cyl. now adjust both valves on # 1 cyl, Turn the crank (looking from the front of engine) clockwise 1/3rd of a turn and adjust both valves on # 5 cyl. Now repeat this for each cylinder following the firing order, order is 1, 5, 3, 6, 2, 4.

    If you remove the distributor cap while diong this you will notice that each 1/3rd of a turn of the crank, the rotor will point to the appropriate plug lead position in the distributor cap for the cylinder you need to adjust the valves on .

    Personally, this sounds too clean. I always adjusted valves with the engine hot and running and splashing oil all over my hands and the engine bay.
    Keep us posted. I may ship over one of these carbs when done to have you try it. If it works, a chock hidden under the dash may not be a bad deal until we find a decent 1100 with auto choke to rebuild.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  7. #37
    Hi gina, has anyone looked down the carb to see if the pump works ? and does it just quit and needs to be restarted or just don't go when the foot goes down ? ...jh

  8. #38
    Gina,

    Have been awaiting a report of some kind from you about whether you had any luck after bringing it home. Any news?

    Also, I finally got the parts I needed to build another carb, though as I indicated it would be a manual choke carb since that is all I had.

    Sadly I scavenged so much off of my wagon to bring over to yours, my wagon has not been reassembled to the point of testing this new carb. I really should do that just to be sure rather than just sending it. But, if you've had luck with that other carb, there may be no need.

    I also won a bid for another of the correct 1100 Autolite carbs off eBay the other night - though when all is said and done it will cost me about $180 once I have a new kit into it. I felt it is worth having another of the right styles available. Just crossing my fingers it is not a pile when it shows up. And if it is not needed I can sell it on eBay for almost $400 rebuilt. So it will not be a loss for me regardless.

    Please keep us posted.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by falcon cobra View Post
    Hi gina, has anyone looked down the carb to see if the pump works ? and does it just quit and needs to be restarted or just don't go when the foot goes down ? ...jh
    The report I had from Steve was it ran fine cold, but as soon as it warmed up it would run bad, then die. I thought maybe carb at the time we left, but it presented other possibilities with the OK cold, not-so hot, scenario. That's why I suggested maybe checking the valves again. I set them to .019 cold thinking they's go to about .015/.016 hot, but I read online I maybe should have gone wider (.020/.021) cold.

    We were somewhat delirious by the time we all left that night and did not really have the time to scrutinize every little bit of it. Hind-sight being 20/20 I really should have halted and added another day to the project instead of sending her off. But it didn't let her get too far away as it was and we were going to follow her anyway, so it worked out that she didn't get too far down the road.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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    Gina, what's going on with the Comet (several of us worked on it and are wondering)? Haven't heard anything about it except from Steve and Roger in the last 10 days or so.


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithKid View Post
    Gina, what's going on with the Comet (several of us worked on it and are wondering)? Haven't heard anything about it except from Steve and Roger in the last 10 days or so.
    Some us that couldn't make the trip over to help are also wondering

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    Well, not much to say about the Comet. I'm not really sure what to do next so she sits in the driveway waiting. I did go out a few days ago,sat in her to listen to a new CD, sounded great but just made me sad. Been forced to drive the Falcon....now it needs a head gasket ( foam in the oil cap). If it's not one thing it's the other. Anyways my guess is the next step for the Comet is a valve adjustment with the car hot, after that I don't know???? Kinda still in the same boat with no mechanic I trust. I'll just keep putting one foot in front of the other and see what happens😀
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    Hey Gina let me ask some of the rakers club guys to see who they might use. There has got to be a decent reliable reasonably priced mechanic some where up here. how was the compression check?

    It's that or tech day in port Townsend!!! I'll drive mine over!
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  14. #44
    The carb core I bought is looking pretty good, so I think I will have a very decent automatic choke 1100 tomorrow. I also have another I can build using parts from that one that is on the Comet now, so we'll swap them out.

    So yes, next we need to check the valves again cold, and then hot. If checked cold, and they are less than the .017 I set them at, then chances (depending on how much less they are) then it's possible why it runs good cold and then worse the warmer it gets.

    To make sure they get adjusted correctly (and in case I'm not able to get there first), here's how to do it:

    1) Rotate the engine until the distributor is pointing to #1 and the crank pointer is at top dead center (0 on the pointer).

    2) With the distributor cap off, make a mark where the rotor is pointing as #1 top dead center.

    3) Make a mark 180 degree across the distributor.

    4) Make 4 more marks between these marks (2 before and 2 after the 180 degree mark) to divide it all into 6 even pie slices. These marks now represent when each cylinder is going to fire based upon the firing order.

    5) The firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 and the rotor spins clock-wise.

    6) Set at 1 (timing mark still at zero) you can adjust the first two valves.

    7) Rotate to the next mark (distributor going clockwise) and adjust #5 valves. Then next is #3, and when you are at #6 you should again have the time mark at zero on the crank again. Crank rotates twice for one rotation of the distributor.

    8) Continue around until you have adjusted them all cold to about .017 cold (like I did before) and then bolt the cover on and warm it up. Check them hot same as above and the hot adjustment needs to be .016 for intake and exhaust.

    We also need to double-check the point gap or dwell (.024-.026) or 35-38 dwell.

    If it looks like Miles can do this I will ship over the carb just in case. PM me with your shipping address Gina just so I know where to ship it - or where to come if I can arrange a trip over.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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    New (rebuilt) carburetor

    Well, here it is. This the carb to replace the carb you have. It was in pretty good shape, so needed very little hard work. So I can send it over - just to give you the option of having Miles put it on after he adjusts the valves - if he adjusts the valves. Or it can just be there kept with the car in case I get there first or someone else does. Don't get rid of the other one. I'll need it for parts to make another one I need parts for.
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    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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