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Old 01-30-2016, 01:44 PM
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Dennis, how old are your tires?
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Old 01-30-2016, 07:37 PM
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Dennis, how old are your tires?
Hello, Don.

I bought a set of five Milestar P175/80R13 tires on 8/04/12 and have about 13,500 miles on them.

But, I didn't get a front end alignment until 4,000 miles ago and the front tires were badly worn on the inner edges. I then rotated the worn tires to the back. The tires are therefore not that old, but they are not in the best of shape either.

I hope to put maybe another 15,000 miles on these tires and then replace them with a set of bigger P185/80R13 tires.

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Update: I read this post on a Mustang board. His situations sounds very similar to mine. The conclusions were that he needs an alignment, two new rear tires, and a wheel balance. I could buy one new P175/80R13 tire, and use it and the almost new spare to replace the two mis-worn rear tires, and keep the better of the two worn rear tires for a spare.

"My car. 2010 v6 vert with 72k miles.

Okay so I put new 19 inch wheels with the front tires brand new and the rears evenly warn but down but not yet to the wear bars. Before I put these wheels on the car had an alignment problem where the inner fronts were wearing slightly.

Well I put the 19 inch wheels with the tires on and the steering wheel wobbled at 60mph and disappeared at 70 mph and the car pulled left and right. (Note now that I installed new brakes but didn't turn rotors about 1,000 miles before all this)

So I thought to myself since I put the new wheels on "oh I just need my wheels balanced and aligned"
Took it to a famous shop the whole valley loves. this is what they said I need to fix the wheel shake and pulling left and right: Note below all this includes labor.

1. Front end alignment only ($110, really? Just for the front?)
2.Caster bolt kit, said that since my car was newer it requires a new kit.
3. Two new rear tires ($450 why? They wore evenly, they are on the rear, and have about 40 percent left. how would that effect the handling? I can get two new tires from Goodyear or perreli for $120 each)
4. New front brake pads and rotors. They said I needed new rotors as they looked worn, which I can agree, they should have been turned, but never had a vibration issue previously. New pads cause they would have to shave the "old" ones I just replaced to make them even with the new rotor so they said they might as well replace them?($525 for front. which is absurd. I can do all that including ceramics with new rotors all around myself for $180)
5. Brake fluid flush. I know what worn fluid looks like, mine is a light vegetable oil color, not like tea. Said my brakes pulsed and that will assist in the vibration when I brake (which is near non existent) ($110 for flush. Ouch)

So, basically, they said all this would fix my small vibration at 60 mph and my slight left and right pull."
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Old 02-01-2016, 03:50 PM
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I have looked at 3 point seat belts but don't like the installation process on the hardtops. I did find this link for a so called 4 point belt. There are really only 3 points with four straps. What if any experience/knowledge does anyone have on this.
http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo...sebepubub.html
Hello, Larry.

That is what I installed. This approach has disadvantages. Putting shoulder belts in a hardtop is a challenge.

IMG_0299.jpg

A problem is that the seat back does not lock in place. If you lean forward against the straps the seat back wants to fold forward. I added other straps at the seat hinges to hold the seat backs in place:

IMG_0300.jpg

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Other Problems:
1. The structure of the seat is not strong and the seat back will break and bend in a crash.
2. The shoulder belts act as a cam. The occupant's forward motion is converted to a downward compression force.
3. The shoulder belts are uncomfortable wear. They are heavy and restrict torso movement. That makes it more difficult to look over your shoulder while backing up or changing lanes. This results in my most often just wearing the lap belt.

Alternatives:
This setup would look nice, but the metal that it anchors to is not very strong.

mustang-camaro-mounting-plate-install-roof.gif

This dealer-installed seat belt on a 1966 Fairlane used a novel approach: They drilled a hole in the roof and essentially used a big washer.

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Old 02-01-2016, 06:58 PM
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Dennis, As far as the Fairlane option. What the heck were they thinking??????

Where do your center straps hook up? Not sure from the pictures. Thanks Larry
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:17 PM
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[SIZE=4]Dennis, As far as the Fairlane option. What the heck were they thinking??????
Where do your center straps hook up? Not sure from the pictures.
Hello, Larry.

I do not think that I could bring myself to go with the Fairlane option.

The shoulder straps come together in back as a "V" and then become a single strap:

IMG_0306.jpg

The single strap feeds into the center bracket on the floor. The ends of the lap belt feed into the right and left brackets:
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I added another bracket and strap on the right and left side to secure the seat hinges:
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I bought two shoulder harness sets for the front seat and two lap belts for the back seat from Andover Restraints.
See: http://www.andoauto.com/

Mt receipt says that I bought the "3 Point Seat Belts With Vintage Lift Lid Buckle" - "Custom Y" Harness #8814B
See: http://www.andoauto.com/3point.htm
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Old 02-02-2016, 01:47 PM
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This dealer-installed seat belt on a 1966 Fairlane used a novel approach: They drilled a hole in the roof and essentially used a big washer.
Interesting. I had a set of those once, may still have in my pipes of stuff. Never knew what they were until now. Shoot - they may be worth a small fortune - I should find them.
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I added another bracket and strap on the right and left side to secure the seat hinges:
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Dennis, This bracket really should be turned around and bent upward at about a 45 degree angle. Not that the seat has a lot of leverage (weight) until you strap yourself into the seat belt and drag it forward in an accident, God forbid, but this bracket is now prone to rather bend rather than hold the seat. It may, in fact, bend and in doing so work-harden and break off before the bolt through the floor holds the seat in place. Just an observation.

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Dennis, I may be wrong, but with your engineering mind, you had to scratch your head when you saw that Fairlane option??? I think I could have found a better method when I used to drink.

Roger, if you have that setup, you will probably get a bunch for it. One born every minute from what I hear.

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Old 02-02-2016, 03:55 PM
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Dennis, Why do you want to go to bigger (wider) tires? 175/80r13 seems like an almost perfect match to the original diameter. That's what I was planning to get for mine some day.
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I think if the plates went through the rib in the roof that usually held the light socket in the center of the roof. That rib and the roof sandwiched with this chrome part on the roof would be about as good as anything I've seen them do early-on.

If I do find those parts, I will sell them for a bunch-o-money!
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Dennis, This bracket really should be turned around and bent upward at about a 45 degree angle.
Hello, Roger.

I cannot turn it around because the strap from the waist belt and the back of the seat are in the way. I understand, though, what you are saying about angling the bracket to decrease the twisting leverage.

I looked back at where I bought the flat belt anchor
Seatbelt anchors.jpg

and see that they also have an angled one (on right).
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I do not have a bench vice and even if I had one this anchor may be hard to bend. It is, after all, deliberately made to be difficult to bend. It might be easier to just buy a set of the angled ones.

See: http://www.racereadyproducts.com/har...ting-hardware/
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Dennis, Why do you want to go to bigger (wider) tires? 175/80r13 seems like an almost perfect match to the original diameter. That's what I was planning to get for mine some day.
Hello, Don.

I can't find my notes on this, but I think that the four-lug 13-inch wheels are six inches wide and so are the Milestar tires. They would be perfect for your wheels. The specifications for a Maxxis 175/80R13 say "Rim Width: 4.50 - 6.00".
See: https://www.cokertire.com/maxxis-175-80r13.html

But, ... the 5-lug 13-inch wheels that came with the V-8 cars are 6 1/2 inches wide. The Milestar 175's do work on my car, but the Maaxis MA-1 would be a better fit because they are specified for a 6.5-inch wide wheel.

The wheels used on the Sprint hardtop model are 6.5” x 13”.
The Maxxis MA-1 185/80R13 whitewall tire will fit 5” - 6.5" wide rims. “The Maxxis MA-1 is the perfect touring tire for almost any passenger car. With an attractive design and solid construction featuring double steel belts, solid center rib, advanced tread design to resist hydroplaning, and a stylish narrow (3/4”) white sidewall with serrated black sidewall.”
SKU: 700403, Tread Width: 5.40, Section Width: 7.40, Overall Diameter: 24.70, Load Index: 90, Speed Rating: S 112 mph, Max Load Capacity: 1323@35PSI, Rim Width: 5.00 - 6.50.
See: http://www.cokertire.com/maxxis-185-80r13.html Amazon has them for $104.89 each with free shipping
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Dennis,

I figured you would have needed it to angle-up to clear the other belt to also allow turning it around. If you can get the angled one, I would.

I doubt they would harden the bracket (much) and it would bend. I also doubt they expected the pull would be in that orientation and never tested for this configuration.

No bench vice! I got one or two extra I could send you...
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Dennis, I have been looking at those. Tiresall.com has them for $69.
http://www.tiresall.com/Milestar-MS7...S-WW-A-S/1392/
I see now why you want bigger for your car.
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Dennis, I have been looking at those. Tiresall.com has them for $69
That's a good price. I paid $79.95 each about three and a half years ago. They have 1/2-inch wide whitewalls:

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I have 13,500 miles on the Milestars now and would like to put at least 25,000 on them before getting a new set of Maxxis tires.
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