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    Seals for wagons and sedan delivery

    I have been looking around for the seals and gaskets to re-do the tailgate on the sedan delivery. I have found the seals that go around the gate but I need to find the ones that go on the inside of the tailgate. I have the lower glass seal and the fuzzies for the opening where the glass comes up through, but I can't seem to find the fuzzies for the two slides on the inside of the tailgate. Any one have a line on these or do I order something else and modify it to fit???
    I am rounding up the seals I need to fit all the panels properly to do the body work and I would just as soon put the tail gate together now since it is already powder coated and ready for putty...
    Thanks for any help Steve H.

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    Anyone found these. I really need help.
    Come on Roger I know your car is nice and it has a tailgate with the window. Thanks Steve...

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    Hi Steve,

    Roger mentioned at the meeting last week that he's been tearing his hair out at work getting ready for a big show in Las Vegas. He may be knee deep in work right now!

    Just thought I'd let you know.

    Kenny Likins
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    www.redfalken.com

    `62 Tudor Sedan (`69 200, C4, 8-inch 4-lug 2.79 rearend, Duraspark II, MSD, Weber 32/36 DGEV)

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    Cool Thanks for the Heads up. I will stand by patiently. Unless anyone else has a clue about these parts.?.

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    I am thinking (I'll know more after you do it) it is the same as the other window channel. I had my gate open last weekend and there was a small bit of the old stuff left and it had the small chrome bead on one side. I would go for this and see if you can cut to length... I think about 16" per side if we are talking about the same thing. I had to replace both of my plastic rollers to get the thing to roll up/down.

    Let me know what you find out.

    From Falconparts.com - I know it's not the seal you are looking for, but I suspect (and hope) it's the same material.

    1960-1965 TAILGATE WINDOW GLASS CHANNEL
    Category: GLASS CHANNEL
    Product ID: C0DB-59422A36-B
    Description: This is the tailgate window glass channel/weatherstrip seal which is mounted on the body. This seal is made of the same material as the door window top and rear glass channel seals and requires the same type of trim to fit installation procedures. It is 96 inches long which is enough material to do both vertical channels as well as the horizontal channel.

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    That is kind is what I was thinking as well. I have those moldings on the way and I was going to try it. If it works I will order more of it. I will keep you posted. Thanks for the confirmation of what I was thinking.

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    Okay.. I have totally disassembled my tailtage. I don't think the inside glass rails are the same as the window run as previously suspected. It appears to be the same rigid track that is used for the division bar on the front door. It's expensive.

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    Steve,

    Don't know how I missed this... but I did. Sorry about that. You should'a knocked me up-side the head when I saw you at the swap meet. I'd have deserved it.



    I've stared at my seals and am glad the U-shaped one on the body is in reasonably good shape. They are not reproduced yet. Yes, the glass runners are the rigid bits like those on the division bars, which I bought some of and I don't recall, but I think someone else needed it worse than I did and I "let it go" to someone else. But when I got mine it wasn't all that expensive - but that was 10 years ago. Somewhere I have another set of those, but I have no clue as to how good they are. I have to dig out in the shed on Wednesday to see if I have a big-block water pump, so if I do and they are good they are yours.

    I don't know why someplace like Dennis Carpenter doesn't repop all the tailgate seals, since I think they are pretty much the same for 60-65 everything Falcon wagon. But they don't. So it will take making them as best you can.

    Did you get my PM about the photo request?
    Roger Moore

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    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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    OK, read a little more and yes, the upper seal linked by Jeff is a press-in loose-like seal like those in the front doors, upper and rear and for us with rear windows the same is used. Sadly, this stuff is nowhere near as good a quality as the original and tends to twist and fall out if not glued into place. I think there is some that is higher quality that I saw somewhere (will have to look) and if I had to do it over, I would get the more expensive stuff.
    Roger Moore

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    Cool Thanks guys. I am waiting for some back orders right now and as soon as I have them I will see if those work. Sounds like the wrong ones though.
    Roger got you PM. will get those off to you asap. And thanks for all the help. Put up some new pics today of the delivery. The twinkle at the end of the road is a little brighter now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luva65wagon View Post
    Steve,


    I've stared at my seals and am glad the U-shaped one on the body is in reasonably good shape. They are not reproduced yet. I don't know why someplace like Dennis Carpenter doesn't repop all the tailgate seals, since I think they are pretty much the same for 60-65 everything Falcon wagon. But they don't. So it will take making them as best you can.

    Did you get my PM about the photo request?

    You must not have looked recently. The "U" seal between the body and lower tailgate. $120. They list 60-63 and a different part number for 64-65. I can find all the parts with the exception of the lower rails we are talking about. I'm going to make mine using the division bar material. You can also buy the original type rivets.

    Let me know what you find on a better material for the glass run. I know they sell some with stainless bead... that may add some rigidity and also extra bling that my base model lacks.


    Here is a picture of the elusive window channel for the "non-wagon" owners...
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    Last edited by Jeff W; October 19th, 2010 at 10:06 PM. Reason: added picture

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    True, Jeff, it has been a while - and honestly I didn't look all that hard because mine are in OK shape. Where is this U-seal available from?

    The seal I meant was flimsy is the one that goes around the top of the rear window in the roof and rear pillars.

    As for the division bar rails, these are hidden in the tailgate and the stainless bead will not add any strength -- just added cost. And you'll never see 'em. I had purchased a 5 or 6' piece at the swap meet or maybe it was at that rod shop in Snohomish, which moved to Aurora north and then ended up on 205th in Lake Ballinger... before disappearing altogether. Can't recall the name of the place at this moment. Anyway, I let that piece go to someone. Man, I hate it when I do stuff I don't remember.

    Roger Moore

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    Dennis Carpenter had most of the rubber pieces I was looking for and prices are about the same as the other places.

    It was the regular window run (side windows top and rear) that I was considering the stainless bead.

    I am going to go with a modern style beltline (Fuzzy) like you did. since I don't have a garage I need to keep out all the water I can.

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    I just remembered picking up a Dennis Carpenter catalog a couple weeks ago - and sure enough, there they all are. Steve, Jeff, if you pick up a set, let me know what they look like. DC stuff is usually pretty good.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff W View Post
    Dennis Carpenter had most of the rubber pieces I was looking for and prices are about the same as the other places.

    It was the regular window run (side windows top and rear) that I was considering the stainless bead.

    I am going to go with a modern style beltline (Fuzzy) like you did. since I don't have a garage I need to keep out all the water I can.
    I think the stainless rigid division bar only applies to the back-side of the wing window, aka "the division bar." And these hidden tracks in the tailgate. All the rest of the weatherstripping is a u-shaped pre-molded cats-tongue track that pushes in and stays put via a little catch edge.

    I got lots of the stuff I pulled out for the door beltline -- if you want to have it. If I ever need to replace it, I'll buy new stuff.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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