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    You were on vacation Roger and so was I.
    Tons of little things got done today but lots of little barriers too.
    I got a set of new gromets for the headlight wires...I'm having a heck of a time getting something in there to bend those little tabs on the back. Anyone have a trick for this?
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  2. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by dhbfaster View Post
    You were on vacation Roger and so was I.
    Tons of little things got done today but lots of little barriers too.
    I got a set of new gromets for the headlight wires...I'm having a heck of a time getting something in there to bend those little tabs on the back. Anyone have a trick for this?
    Ive always used two tiny screwdrivers. Hold the connector/wires between your fingers. With your other hand, Push the tab down, then push the terminal out with the other using your thumb. Almost need three hands. Itsa bugar.
    Dave M
    1963 Ford Falcon Futura convertible 170ci auto.
    Arlington Wa

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhbfaster View Post
    You were on vacation Roger and so was I.
    Tons of little things got done today but lots of little barriers too.
    I got a set of new gromets for the headlight wires...I'm having a heck of a time getting something in there to bend those little tabs on the back. Anyone have a trick for this?
    I just checked mine - they are loose - not loose enough to come out of the holes, but almost. I don't think I bent my tabs over when I put new ones in. I also recall that they were not "tabs" so much as rounded bumps that I assumed were just a loose pressure fit. It's been awhile, sorry.

    Jeff Watson
    Seattle, WA
    '63 Tudor Wagon (170 - 3 spd.)

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    Thanks Jeff. I wondered about that, but Decided they would definitely fall out if I didn't bend the tabs at all.
    I was able to get a small box wrench in there today and bend all the tabs good enough so they won't fall out, but they are still pretty loose. I was thinking I might tape them down (temporarily) and put a dab of adhesive or silicone on the back tomorrow just to keep them from rattling around.
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    Don Bartlett
    Federal Way, WA
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    Here is a quest for you. Find some original rubber inserts like these. I found these on a Ranchero at the Lynnwood Pull a Part.
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    Jeff Watson
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    '63 Tudor Wagon (170 - 3 spd.)

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    Now that I see the part I used my smallest pair of channel lock pliers - I think they call them ignition pliers because they are so small. Worked great after protecting the ends with tape so they don't nibble into the part.
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    So...... if someone finds the grommets like Jeff pictured, I want some too. Maybe share an order?


    Gene Smith
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    302, EFI, 4-Spd
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithKid View Post
    So...... if someone finds the grommets like Jeff pictured, I want some too. Maybe share an order?
    I have not seen them reproduced... Sounds like I better stick close to my car at the regional

    Jeff Watson
    Seattle, WA
    '63 Tudor Wagon (170 - 3 spd.)

  9. #174

    Rubber boots

    Quote Originally Posted by SmithKid View Post
    So...... if someone finds the grommets like Jeff pictured, I want some too. Maybe share an order?
    How do you push the two-terminal plug through the rubber boot?

    Is the boot cut on one side so that it folds open?
    Dennis Pierson
    Tampa, FL
    "The Wonder Falcon"

    '63 Futura Hardtop (260, Ford-O-Matic, bench seat)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ew1usnr View Post
    How do you push the two-terminal plug through the rubber boot?

    Is the boot cut on one side so that it folds open?
    Exactly - there is a split on the back side. I rotated one around and snapped a picture. I tried to remove but the smaller neck that goes in the hole is starting to crack.
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    Jeff Watson
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    '63 Tudor Wagon (170 - 3 spd.)

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    Jeff, when I first saw that it reminded me of something medical! Let's just say it was not a comfortable situation for the person I saw that on.
    Yea, it's a pretty simple non elegant wire harness routing...but it is what it is and it's all Origional Falcon. Love it..a huge hole with a grommet.

    Roger, that's exactly what i had in mind. I'll have to keep my eye out for a pair of those!

    Meanwhile, last night I put a big blob of "Goop" adhesive behind the tabs while I had the front taped to the surface and the effect is better than I expected. It's pretty solid today. Definitely much "more gooder."

    Pic attached...a bit fuzzy. But you get the idea.
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    Don Bartlett
    Federal Way, WA
    61 Four Door Sedan
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    Coincidence?

    Hello, Don.

    I read about this and was struck by the coincidence. Since you have the 144 engine, You might find this interesting. Look how similar the numbers are:

    The 1950 Studebaker Champion had a 169.6 in³ flathead six that produced 85 hp @ 4000 rpm and 138 lbs torque @ 2400 rpm. The 2-door car weighed 2,695 lbs and claimed 29 mpg.
    1950 Studebaker Champion.jpg

    The 1960 Falcon 144 in³ ThriftPower overhead valve six produced 84 hp @ 4200 rpm and 134 lbs torque @ 2000 rpm (figures from Wikipedia). The 2-door car weighed 2,375 lbs and claimed 30 mpg.

    Those numbers seem so similar that it makes me wonder if Ford used the the Studebaker as a goal post while designing the Falcon. The Falcon had a 320 lb weight advantage over the Studebaker, but to achieve that Ford had to design a new thin-walled overhead valve engine and use unit-body construction. The Studebaker was using a flathead and body-on-frame construction.
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    Dennis Pierson
    Tampa, FL
    "The Wonder Falcon"

    '63 Futura Hardtop (260, Ford-O-Matic, bench seat)

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    That's very interesting Dennis. Automotive is definitely a game of constantly trying to one-up the competition on their specs. Still happening today.

    All....I'm in need of a battery tray bracket. The one that bolts UNDER the tray and bolts down to the fender. Anyone happen to have one of these in their junk box? (I THINK 1960-1962 is the same...maybe 1963.)

    I've thrown almost nothing out...but the old battery tray was so rusted out, after I got the new battery tray and compared it, I tossed the old one. MISTAKE - the new one doens't come with the bracket on the underside (I can't believe I missed that.) I can buy a new bracket for $18 plus shipping at Dennis Carpenter...but if any of you have one saved for just such an occasion...I would certainly appreciate it.

    I also don't seem to have the rear license plate bracket that also holds the license plate light. Roger...you were going to check your junk boxes...? OR if anyone else happens to have one...I would really appreciate it!
    Don Bartlett
    Federal Way, WA
    61 Four Door Sedan
    144-6, 3 on the tree



  14. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by dhbfaster View Post
    Roger...you were going to check your junk boxes...? OR if anyone else happens to have one...I would really appreciate it!
    Don, I will be home tonight and I know where they... were. Hopefully they are still there. I'll try and look up what they are supposed to look like so I can see if what I have is the same thing.

    I swapped from an early battery tray style to the later style on my Ranchero, but I don't think I saved any battery tray parts, but I will look. I am a hoarder of things that can be reused, but not seeing it laying around (in my head).
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    Roger Moore

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    Here is what the battery tray "brace" should look like:http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_fa...ce-falcon.html
    or see attached.

    I can't seem to find a pic or illustration of the license plate bracket/ lamp holder that i still need.

    Wiper assembly installation...where the inside wiper arm goes through the car body and attaches to the chrome piece with the nut on the outside of the body just behind the hood (hopefully you can understand what I mean) does the little gasket go on the inside of the car? or on the outside of the car under the chrome piece? I found the old one was inside the car...and there was nothing under the chrome piece between that and my new paint job- so that's how I installed the new one...but that's not intuitive...anyway, is it correct? it goes on the inside?

    As always...big thanks in advance.
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    Don Bartlett
    Federal Way, WA
    61 Four Door Sedan
    144-6, 3 on the tree



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