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  1. #106
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    Ranchero is looking awesome Gene (Roger). Hopefully this spring I can have all you come over and help me put mine back together!! (fingers crossed)

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    The weather cooperated enough for me to sneak to the muffler shop between showers. Of course, as I pulled out of my street to the main city street, a police cruiser went past me and pulled over to the curb waiting for me to go past. I stopped behind him and told him I was on the way to get the mufflers hooked up, and he said, no problem, thanks for stopping. After arriving, I discovered the electrical system wasn't charging and with the engine being tight, it wouldn't restart, While it was being worked on, we put his charger on it, and I made it home w/o killing the motor. So...... another problem to sort out. I had already discovered in the last couple years working on this that I'm not as perfect as I had imagined. I didn't need Murphy to confirm again. Oh well......
    Last edited by SmithKid; February 8th, 2012 at 01:17 PM.


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
    '65 Ranchero Deluxe
    302, EFI, 4-Spd
    Granada Discs

  3. #108
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    What kind of mufflers did you decide on... and how does it sound?

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    The good news is it made a trip out of the garage under its own power!! That is a giant step. I like the radiator, which did you go with?
    Oh yeah how did it run, and did you enjoy driving it again? (other than the electrical issue)

  5. #110
    FWIW Gene had his old tail-pipe and mufflers, which we very new (mileage-wise), hooked up to his new Doug's Headers. Two short s-bend pipes to connect the middles.

    Like me (who is not perfect either, regardless of what Steve says... ) had to work through a lot of bugs when the Flarechero hit the road. Still working them out. Gene will be for a while too.

    Gene has issues with the starter he bought, because they wouldn't sell him the one he needed due to some stupid core charge/swap nonsense. He may have to get a different starter and swallow a core charge (unless we can find the right core to match the starter they say he needs).

    He's now needing to investigate some really noisy lifters, which became that much more apparently noisy when the headers were connected. That is top on his list and I plan to go over there tonight and help him diagnose that.

    OK Gene, sorry for hi-jacking and taking away your joy, as usual. You know me, I do that with forum threads, tools, paint cans...
    Last edited by Luva65wagon; February 9th, 2012 at 02:25 PM.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  6. #111

    starters

    Please post the numbers that he needs , or a picture of it . I have a couple laying around here. He is welcome to them.

  7. #112
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    The mufflers that were on the car (turbo style) were ones that I had put on a couple of years ago. However, they have probably less than 50 miles on them (the old head pipes aren't even discolored). So I just had Hutch at Beyond Repair connect the new collectors to them again. Everything behind the collectors is 2 1/4". I like the sound: not too loud, but still sounds like a V-8.

    The radiator is a Champion unit. I ordered and paid for a 3-row, as you did Steve. But I got a 4-row delivered. Don't know why, but I'm not complaining.

    Roger & I pulled the valve covers tonight and found all the rockers loose., as we suspected yesterday after discussion. He stopped at home after work tonight and brought a couple sets of pushrods with him that proved our finding that the pushrods were too short. It's mechanically quiet with longer pushrods in it and runs MUCH better. I'll pick up a new set tomorrow hopefully. Then....

    On to the more minor problems!


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
    '65 Ranchero Deluxe
    302, EFI, 4-Spd
    Granada Discs

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    Went to the Action Auto Parts store on N Aurora this AM with my 2 pushrod lengths. The machine shop manager there told me the pushrods that were in the motor were for a 289 and therefore, too short. The pushrods that Roger had in his arsenal were the correct length for the 302. I said I wanted to order the correct ones. He went and got them off the shelf somewhere and when he rang them up they were very reasonable. So, I installed them this afternoon and all is much improved.


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
    '65 Ranchero Deluxe
    302, EFI, 4-Spd
    Granada Discs

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    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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    You guys may already know this, but I didn't (maybe I'm showing my age)..... I ordered and installed new radiator hoses when the old upper hose appeared to be a longish black balloon after the engine warmed up. I installed the new hoses after they arrived, but noticed there was no spring in the return hose. Wow, I thought. They now manufacture the hoses so they don't need springs. WRONG! They just don't come with springs. You must order them separately. So, I ordered the new spring and took off the bottom hose again to install it. After the third time, I'm getting pretty proficient with that, and I'll probably never forget to order the spring again. Wish they'd make a notation on the websites to remind dummies like me that the springs aren't included.
    Last edited by SmithKid; March 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 PM.


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
    '65 Ranchero Deluxe
    302, EFI, 4-Spd
    Granada Discs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithKid View Post
    need springs.
    Do you need a spring? I know there are many opinions. I don't have one but this guy sounds like he knows what he is talking about.... but in the end, just another opinion.

    http://www.martiauto.com/faqfocus.cfm?qid=20


    BTW: This is also the guy that I will be buying my replacement Door Tag through. I like the price.

  12. #117
    I have never used a hose with a spring in it, first of all they are cheap and rust, come apart and get stuck in the cooling holes in the block and or the heads...a good hose won't go flat if the rubber is strong....just my .02 jh

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    Jeff and John,
    I read and thank you for the info on the link you posted. I certainly am not enough of an expert on the subject to argue with anyone on this subject. I will say, I have never put in a lower hose that didn't have a spring in it. The hose that I took from the 289 I removed (with a spring in it) was NOT the factory hose after all these years, and it was NOT corroded into non-existance, but was corroded to some degree. When I found the replacement spring online , it was listed as, and appears to be, stainless steel. So I am in hopes that it won't deteriorate to nothing. I won't be removing it on the strength of that man's statement. I feel "safe is better than sorry" is the best plan, and that safety only cost me $5. I just wish I hadn't needed to do the replacement multiple times.
    Just my $.02 worth.
    Last edited by Luva65wagon; March 2nd, 2012 at 07:24 PM. Reason: changed the word hose to spring for you.


    Gene Smith
    Fredrickson, WA
    '65 Ranchero Deluxe
    302, EFI, 4-Spd
    Granada Discs

  14. #119
    It's all suction versus pressure drop. Though I agree a good clean system is ideal and with everything new and clean you should not collapse a hose, the truth is you have far more surface being pumped into and through after the pump than you do at the inlet of the pump. You have zero restriction before the pump (gravity does a pretty good job of feeding the inlet of the pump), but after the pump you are pushing coolant though lots of orifices and hoses before it gets back to the radiator. Any imbalance - ANY - with a weak or long-ish hose, and a good pump, can suck a lower hose closed.

    As for having them rust, they do. But I would be more apt to say that is due to lack of maintenance since a well maintained cooling system doesn't promote rust. Don't change your coolant for 10 years (and I think we're all guilty of that) and you then start to see the rust-prohibitive nature of anti-freeze wane.

    Oh, and the spring Gene got was Stainless Steel.

    That's my take...
    Last edited by Luva65wagon; March 2nd, 2012 at 07:20 PM. Reason: Because Gene beat me to the punch! : )
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  15. #120
    Besides keeping the coolant fresh you can check for electrolysis in the system. I checked once when the guy at Greenwood Radiator mentioned it but it's been a long time. Here's a good link:

    http://www.sancarlosradiator.com/electrolysis.htm

    It can corrode ferrous metals pretty quick, especially aluminum.

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