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  1. #46
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    ... if it was malice, maybe you should check your other falcon out a bit closer. I'd take off the carburetor and fish around in the intake manifold with a magnet on a wire. You may pull out a screw before it eats a piston in that motor too.

  2. #47
    Hate to say it Dan,
    But the guys are right.. something was dropped down the carb and it gernaded Penny's engine.

    The broken rocker was just an effect of the problem and not part of the cause. When tearing down the motor I got to thinking there is no way a broken adjuster screw would make it into the cylinder.. It had to be dropped down a carb hole..

    I was thinking sabotage or maybe, "maybe" someone dropped something when changing a carb??


    Next question if water and gas arent cloudy white.. what does bleach look like when mixed with gas?? Though it didn't smell like bleach or anything else for that matter.. not even gas untill the very last..

    I drained the tank and flushed the lines. put 4 gallons of premium with some water remover..

    Good News is I got Penny running last night and broke her in.. I got her dialed in a little bit better tonight.. I'm using the carb off of Tink though..

    Problem. Penny wont Idle below 700 rpms.. I dial the idle down and she stalls.. I'm thinking vacuum leak, but I have no idea where..

    Nathan
    Nathan and Jen Cooper
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  3. #48
    First engine picture is assymbled and in the car
    The second picture is a picture of the engine break in.
    The carb linkages are different between a 61 and a 62 so i got toasty hands, but she never got over 1/2 temp on the gauge.

    Nathan
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  4. #49
    Nathan,

    If it's a vacuum leak, the idle should go up if you cover the carb with your hand. There's not a lot of places for there to be one, so if that's what it is, it shouldn't be hard to locate. Grab a spray bottle with water and just go about spraying all around the ports and such, and if it finds the source the idle will change.

    Good luck and post more pictures.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  5. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan289 View Post
    Hate to say it Dan,
    But the guys are right.. something was dropped down the carb and it gernaded Penny's engine.

    The broken rocker was just an effect of the problem and not part of the cause. When tearing down the motor I got to thinking there is no way a broken adjuster screw would make it into the cylinder.. It had to be dropped down a carb hole..

    I was thinking sabotage or maybe, "maybe" someone dropped something when changing a carb??


    Next question if water and gas arent cloudy white.. what does bleach look like when mixed with gas?? Though it didn't smell like bleach or anything else for that matter.. not even gas untill the very last..

    I drained the tank and flushed the lines. put 4 gallons of premium with some water remover..

    Good News is I got Penny running last night and broke her in.. I got her dialed in a little bit better tonight.. I'm using the carb off of Tink though..

    Problem. Penny wont Idle below 700 rpms.. I dial the idle down and she stalls.. I'm thinking vacuum leak, but I have no idea where..

    Nathan

    Sorry the car was such a pile.... I guess I should have just demo'd it or scrapped it.... Probably would have been better off doing that.... I am sorry.
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  6. #51
    Bite your tongue sir! I think you sent it to the right place. It would have been either Nathan or me if he didn't want it! Just let's hope your other one hasn't suffered the same fate.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  7. #52
    Dan,
    I'm not trying to make you feel bad and the car isnt a pile. Just a little more challenging than I hoped for..
    The wife and i see great potential in Penny and by spring she will be on the road. I hope to have her driving before the snow flies.

    The car isn't giving me too many fits lately..

    I got the new motor in and running which is great news..
    Now I just have to get it dialed in..

    I haven't checked for the leak yet.. I did try covering the carb to richen up the mixture and it didn't help..

    I'm thinking either valve timing though i adjusted it twice now.
    I'm thinking maybe low engine vacuum do to the rings not being seated yet??? it runs great at 700rpms so i'll just leave it there and try driving it..

    I pulled Tink's carb off of Penny and checked the fuel bowl to discover more water. not much but it was definately water.
    I'm rebuilding Penny's carb and I'll try sampling the gas for water.

    I'll post more in a second..

    Nathan
    Nathan and Jen Cooper
    63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
    63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
    * this spot is vacant for future project*

  8. #53
    Nathan,

    Water doesn't burn well, so I wouldn't worry much about how well it runs until you've assured yourself that there is no more water in there. You may have to put a fuel/water separator in for a few tanks full. These are found in boats mostly.

    I doubt it's much to do with rings seating since you bored it.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  9. #54
    Roger,
    I'll have to find a water fuel seperator. As I have two bottles of heat and some sta-bil in there now and i can still see water in the bottom of the carb bowl..

    I tried running her last night with a rebuilt carb.. Runs extremely rich no mater what i do.. I could only get the idle down to 800 rpms this time.. ran her for 30 minutes even tried driving her.. made it a round the block.. Though it stalled quite a bit.. runs even worse in gear..

    Cool News is Penny has electric wipers.. The AM radio even works..

    I gues the fuel is my problem though I have set of points and condinser waiting to be intsalled.

    I also think the carb is missing a part.. the carb id a F-1 1100 series carb.. I believe for a 63 and later. The exploded view of the carb shows a check ball and a weight.. It seems to be missing the weight I wonder if that would make it run rich??

    Nathan
    Nathan and Jen Cooper
    63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
    63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
    * this spot is vacant for future project*

  10. #55
    Uh... yeah, I think so. I don't know of many internal things that can be missing. That and water could make life a bit rough.

    Was this part missing when you took it apart? Most of these parts come in good kits. My last kit, I think for much the same carb, had these little parts I think.

    Gosh, it was only a month ago I should remember, but you know what they say... the memory is the first thing to go... and... I can't remember the second thing. Can you post a close-up of the carb in question and I'll see if it the same as mine and whether I have these parts.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



  11. #56
    Roger,
    I'm going to try and scan the exploded view of the carb..ok I cheated I took a photo instead..
    The part number I'm missing is part #25 . called the weight-pump discharge.
    The kit came with the ball, but not the weight..
    I don't know if the carb had it or if I misplaced it..
    I took the carb apart quite a few times before i rebuilt it. The check balls were rusted in there and I turned it up side down without knowing all the parts..

    I'm thinking I'm going to drop the tank and try and flush it with something to remove the water..
    I have to install the electric fuel pump any how..

    Nathan
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  12. #57
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    The Weight

    Nathan,
    I discovered "the weight" in the exploded view the last time I rebuilt my carb. There wasn't a weight in the carb, and there wasn't one in the kit, so I made one out of an old slot car axle (1/8" dia steel). Cut it so it looked about the same length as the one in the exploded view.
    It seemed to work. The "flat spot" I had been experiencing before the rebuild was gone after the rebuild. It's sure worth a try anyway!
    Gary MacDonald
    ROGER's...
    EX... '63 Hardtop
    Had...
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    200 w/ CI alum head
    C4

  13. #58
    I'm going to try an find it on my grage floor this weekend. I'll sweep everything into a pile and then use a magnet and see what I come up with. Otherwise I'll be trying your slot car fix..

    I think you can order weird parts like the weight from pony carbs, but you have to have a $20 minum order..
    I asked about rebuilding my carb and lets just say if the carb being rebuilt needs any parts it would be less expensive to buy the new carb for $400.

    I looked into buying another reman and it runs around $200 from Holley reman.. $150 from Vapex (Vapex carbs suck)

    I want to get the carb fixed right and then try running the engine off of a gas can with out any water in it and see if it runs better..

    Nathan
    Nathan and Jen Cooper
    63 Sprint Hardtop "Dollora"
    63 Super deluxe squire wagon "Mayble"
    * this spot is vacant for future project*

  14. #59
    Hi there nathan ,someone must have a carb laying around somewhere, but 20 bucks is better than paying 400 for what ever...those carb rebuilders are thieves and thats it...thor had one from pony and they didn't give a rats if it worked or not, you bought it you got it ... .... my buddy rebuilt his dual carbs on his corvair for 30.00 and it runs great,after we fixed the holes in the floats.... john h

  15. #60
    I can't find a spare one of these, but they should be easy to make. It's a weight to keep the ball against the seat. Mine was brass, but steel would probably work. Just don't make it too long or the ball won't come off the seat.
    Roger Moore

    63 "Flarechero"
    powered by: 347ci stroker | Tremec T5 | 8" 3:45 TracLoc rear



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