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Old 01-19-2012, 12:04 PM
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Monte Carlo Bar

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before, but I couldn't find it via the Search function.

Will the MONTE CARLO BAR CURVED BLACK 1965-1966 from CJ Pony Parts $22 - http://www.cjponyparts.com/monte-carlo-bar-curved-black-1965-1966/p/MCB2/ work on my 64 Sprint or is there a specific Falcon one (FalconParts.com http://www.falconparts.com/ford-falc...-8-18p1084.htm) that costs $38 more that I have to use?

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Old 01-19-2012, 12:23 PM
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Those are both the same, but the price. I have a straight one and it fits and works fine...jh
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Old 01-19-2012, 01:26 PM
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Are we sure the Mustang part and the Falcon part are the same? I think the Mustang width - apron to apron - is a little wider. Not 100% sure, but I know the drag-link is wider on a Mustang compared to Falcon. I'll have to call my friend Bill, with the 65 Mustang, and have take a measurement.
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Old 01-19-2012, 01:34 PM
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Here's some information I just found:

https://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic....=12691&start=0
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Old 01-19-2012, 02:04 PM
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That sure didn't seem very definative to me. Maybe I missed something or didn't understand? I read that thread as conflicting info depending on who was answering. Is the conclusion: You pays yer money and takes yer chances?
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Old 01-19-2012, 02:39 PM
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There was a guy, about 3 from the bottom, who owns both a Falcon and a Mustang. I assumed because (I was told) the width of the frame rails is wider on a Mustang that it was also wider up-top. But this guy confirmed (because he had both) just the opposite - that the Falcon was wider. Then the last guy in the last post indicated this was because the Falcon aprons were taller. I think that's true because I used a 64-66 Mustang apron patch for the battery tray to mount the battery width-wise in the Flarechero.

Where everything is at between the shock towers, or where the belly bar would mount, nobody knew for sure. Nor do I.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:06 PM
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Hmmm.... Maybe I'll take my chances and get a new sway bar for a Mustang.... They list for a lot less $$$ than for a Falcon.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:29 PM
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Sorry, I guess I didn't look close enough and thought they were both for falcons, mine was about $38.00 a few years ago...jh
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:00 PM
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I'm running the curved bar from Falconparts.com. It fits perfectly.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:09 AM
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Great, I'll give you $22 for it!
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:00 AM
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Great, I'll give you $22 for it!
Sorry but no. That won't cover the extra $225 for having it chrome plated.
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Old 01-20-2012, 06:54 PM
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Monte Carlo Bar

The Mustang curved bar does not fit the Falcon. They are a different width. I purchased the one from Falcon Enterprises also. Took it to Tucson with me. Got it chrome plated for $90.00 but I didn't have to ship it. Badbird / Larry
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Pros and Cons

I am going to re-build my front end with new upper and lower control arms, tie rods, etc., and am debating adding a monte carlo bar and/or under engine brace into the mix. For you guys that have installed these, would you strongly recommend them? Or are their benefits offset by negatives?

The downsides include: (a) Increased expense and weight. (b) The pieces would get in the way while doing maintenance. (c) The under engine brace would decrease ground clearance and maybe get in the way of removing the oil pan. (d) They would detract from the original appearance of the car. (e) They might be unnecessary appendages.

On the plus side, they would push the suspension components back into their original positions if they have sagged inward over the years. This would help in setting and holding the front end alignment. Plus, they are not very expensive.

Here is a picture of Jay Leno's 1963 Falcon Spring with a 302 V-8. His monte carlo bar looks like it is just screwed into the sheet metal of the inner fenders. Is that where it is supposed to go? It doesn't look very strong. Is there any kind of structural support there?

Example Monte Carlo bar in Jay Lenos 1963 Falcon Sprint.jpg

Is a curved or straight rod better? The straight rod ($41) looks like it would be stronger. Does the curved rod ($60) fit better somehow? How much do they weigh?

Monte Carlo Bar - Falcon 1960-1965 64-35506 Macs .50.jpg

1960-1965 CURVED MONTE CARLO BARS - V-8 mcb-1 Falcon Parts .95.jpg

There is also an "adjustable" rod available ($170). How/why does it adjust? Does it pivot? How necessary is that? It does not look very strong,

Monte Carlo Bar, Adjustable, Polished Stainless Steel, Falcon,1960-1965 64-87871 Macs 9.99.jpg

The the U-shape of the under engine ($62) brace makes me wonder if it would really be very stiff when pushing inward from the tips and if it would be worth the bother. Does decrease ground clearance? How much does it weigh?

1960-1965 UNDER ENGINE BRACES - V-8 ueb1 Falcon Parts .95.jpg
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:15 AM
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Dennis, the falcons are prone to flex at the shock towers. The Monte Carlo bar and the Z bar are both intended to eliminate that flex. Some bars goes to the shock towers direct, and some bolt right to the inner fenders. I made my own setup wich is probable way overkill unless you plan to race your falcon.
Sway bars are good, the Z bar is good. I think Kenny has a straight bar that I coated for him he could let you know how his car handled with and with out it.
Here's a pic of what I did. HTH
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:19 AM
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Dennis, I've recently done similar research regarding what I wanted to do under my hood. First, I have to say that my situation is different than yours as my car is in the restomod category.

My first consideration, other than "bling", is that I cannot imagine anything more intrusive under the hood than the factory export brace! So, replacing it with a smaller, stronger item is advantageous , and using a easily removable (pull a pin) piece even more so.

Secondly, though I'm not any kind of racer, I feel that anything I can do that may improve the handling, I'm gonna do. I have already added a larger sway bar (1") and lowered the front & rear ends appx. 2". I feel an improvement in the handling doing just those two mods. The export brace/monte carlo bar (which I already have) from www.mpgheads.com are my upcoming winter project. I'm going to add the under engine brace also. I'll probably add a rear sway bar. too, as my rear tires touch the fender infrequently.

Short of installing a rack & pinion as others have done, this is probably about the best I can do.
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